I was looking at the Wikipedia article entitled War in Afghanistan (2001-present), reading about the start of the war and such. But then I noticed this sentence in the section of the article talking about Osama bin Laden’s involvement in the 9/11 attacks:
However bin Laden’s FBI profile does not name him as the author of the attacks [19] and there is some debate as to whether or not it is actually bin Laden in the video.[20]
Does anybody really doubt at this point that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attacks? It’s true that bin Laden’s FBI Most Wanted profile doesn’t name him as the author of the attacks, and this little oddity has been the source of many a conspiracy theory. But in 2006, the Washington Post published “Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?.” In that article, the author talks to the FBI about the missing charges, and gets this answer:
Exhaustive government and independent investigations have concluded otherwise, of course, and bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders have proudly taken responsibility for the hijackings. FBI officials say the wanted poster merely reflects the government’s long-standing practice of relying on actual criminal charges in the notices.
“There’s no mystery here,” said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. “They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don’t need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it.”
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The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice,” the FBI says in a note accompanying the terrorist list on its Web site. “Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.”
Oddly, the Wikipedia omits any mention of this debunking, only including the completely manufactured conspiratorial version. Suffice to say that no competent, authoritative source questions OBL’s involvement, but Wikipedia sees fit to include this little gem in their entry.
The second half of the quote is even funnier. Since I quoted it a while ago, I’ll reprint it here, “…there is some debate as to whether or not it is actually bin Laden in the video.” The reference they use for that claim is a BBC article, “Could the Bin Laden Video be a Fake?” But if you read the BBC article, this is the source of the claim:
But while Washington’s allies have been quick to judge the tape as evidence of Bin Laden’s guilt, many in the Arab world doubt its authenticity.
That’s it. They have put a caveat on one of the most heinous crimes in US history, based on the vague statement that “many in the Arab world” doubt its authenticity.
Enemy Combatants. Then a pair of sentences leapt out at me:
Also, the U.S. Administration did not officially declare war, and labeled Taliban troops and supporters terrorists rather than soldiers, denying them the protections of the Geneva Convention and due process of law. This position has been successfully challenged in the U.S. Supreme Court[30] and questioned even by military lawyers responsible for prosecuting affected prisoners.[31]
Reference 30 is a BBC article describing the case of Huzaifa Parhat, an Uighur who petitioned to have his case reviewed:
The ruling, by a three-judge panel at the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, was in response to a petition under the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005.
This allows detainees a limited review of their status as “enemy combatants”.
“The court directed the government to release or transfer Parhat, or to expeditiously hold a new tribunal,” a notice from the court said.
The military’s decision that he was an enemy combatant was “invalid”, the court ruled.
That’s good news for Mr. Parhat, but does it really amount to challenging the US position on the designation of detainees, or was it just that this particular fellow was able to convince the court of his innocence? Of course it was the latter – this case did not set a precedent or overturn the US definition of “enemy combatant,” as the Wikipedia entry implies.
And how about the claim that their status has “been questioned by military lawyers?” Well, that supporting reference (#31) is actually an article written in the Huffington Post – clearly not a neutral source. The article itself isn’t too bad (though frankly and proudly biased), but has absolutely nothing to do with questioning the legal status of detainees at Guantanamo. The article is about a disagreement between the chief prosecutor (Col. Morris Davis) and two of his superiors concerning what he perceived as inappropriate interference with the legal process.
Perhaps there is an article somewhere that supports Wikipedia’s point, but this one isn’t it.
Summary. So this very important Wikipedia entry has at least two sentences that are completely unjustified as written. The supporting cites don’t actually support their statements, and in the case of Osama bin Laden’s role in the 9/11 attack, they have chosen to represent speculation by conspiracists as respectable alternatives to the official story.
I admire Wikipedia’s devotion to making information freely available to everyone, but they could really, really, use more responsible editing.
July 13, 2008 at 10:43 pm
This author has the audacity to call for “more responsible editing”. In the first place, he or she or it should do a bit of editing, nay, a lot of editing, perhaps delete the entire article. My information tells me that far from bragging about 9/11 bin Laden has explicitly denied any responsibility and suggests that the Americans should begin by searching for the culprit within their own governmemt. I also believe that Rex Tomb went so far as to state that they would need more “hard evidence” to gain an indictment.
The riraculous video just happened to be discovered in a farm house. I assume the author has seen the video and would swear that the fat man is indeed the gaunt faced bin Laden.
The truth is that they did not declare war, and without “hard evidence” of guilt, the bombing of Afghanistan is a war crime.
Perhaps the author will think again about the latest Supreme Court ruling. What we need now is a ruling on torture or does our author approve of that too.
To get to the truth, it may be well to ask ourselves two questions that would be first to be asked in any crime investigation:
1. Who has the motive, means and opportunity?
For the neocons, it was the “new Pearl Harbor”. For a sophisticated crime of this nature, I would think the mossad and the CIA would have a greater array of means than a few Arabs in a cave who had to send their agents to America to learn to fly.
For the opportunity, our defacto president conviently provided that.
2. Who has given evidence of attempting to cover us the crime?
Bush and Cheney had to be forced to agree to any investigation, and only then would they refuse to testify unless they could testify together, not under oath and without notes being allowed. In violation of all procedures the steel from the crime scene was spirited away before any investigation could take place and as far as the official story, both Keane and Hamiltion have claimed there was an obstruction of juistice.
If our author were accused of a crime he knew he did not commit, my guess is that rather than fight an investigation, he would demand it.
July 14, 2008 at 4:46 am
You’re a crackup, Hal. Bin Laden has talked about his foreknowledge of the attacks on 4 separate videos, with one showing him planning the attacks with two of the hijackers. As far as the “fat Bin Laden” video – ask yourself why a government forgery would have been made with such an obvious imperfection. Surely they wouldn’t have bothered subjecting themselves to the “controversy” if they could have avoided it. Not to mention that the “fat” bin Laden claim is based on the fattest frame in the video, he does appear very tall compared to the door and that the PAL-NTSC conversion explains why the aspect ratio of the video is distorted.
Rex Tomb made the “hard evidence” quote before he made the clarifying quote above. The quote above was to stop the rabid, hysterical misinterpretations of his earlier statement by people like you.
Didn’t declare war? Al Qaeda declared war on the US in 1996 and 1998.
Supreme Court ruling? What does that have to do with anything? Torture? What does that have to do with anything?
I can see from your rambling, unfocused spewage that you’re a rabid Truther. Let me take this opportunity to say that as an engineer, every argument I’ve ever seen advanced by the Truthers has been unsullied nonsense.
And lastly, we have this little gem: If our author were accused of a crime he knew he did not commit, my guess is that rather than fight an investigation, he would demand it.
If the author were accused of a crime by a respectable organization whose claims weren’t obvious nonsense, and he was assured of an objective judicial system, he wouldn’t hesitate to demand an investigation. But if he was accused by whackamoles and was going to be judged by a Democratic Congress, I think he’d pass.
July 14, 2008 at 9:54 am
Weapons grade stupid.
It’s cute how he calls you “the author” though. I liked that.
Also the mental image of millions of tons of structural steel being “spirited” away made me giggle.
July 14, 2008 at 11:34 am
Well, Wikipedia’s greatest strength is also its greatest weakness- its reliance on the online community for editors. Moreover, since it is so novel to see citations online (like in Wikipedia) many automatically assume the citations are worthwhile. Sadly, just because someone cites a source does not mean the source itself is correct.
July 14, 2008 at 11:39 am
What surprised me here was that Wikipedia should have given this entry some extra scrutiny. It’s a major topic, it’s current, and it has many controversial elements. I’m afraid to read the rest of the article, because I’ll probably spend days finding and correcting other errors.
July 14, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Geoff, I admire your patience, I really do.
July 14, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I used to be active on Wikipedia but left. There are serious issues that have yet to be resolved. And what intrigued (and saddened) me is that the human element of it gets in the way: people become personally attached to an article or perspective and wage vociferous edit wars to have their way.
I am sure if you change ObL’s article, someone would revert it, and you’d be disciplined if not strongly challenged. It’s such a world that permits the tolerance of idiotic ideas simply because the idiots are louder and more on the ball.